No Great Depression but Still Plenty of Depressing Financial Statistics

Whoa! What happened yesterday?

The Dow boomed up 391 points. Gold, meanwhile, got whacked – down $33 to close at $887.

Oil held steady at $100; the dollar rose against the euro – to $1.55.

This morning, markets in Asia have already popped up. The banking crisis is over, says a headline on Bloomberg. The bad news is already priced in. If you believe the report, the departure of UBS chief Marcel Ospel marked the absolute bottom of the decline in the financial sector. It’s all up from here.

What do we make of this?

Well, let’s step back and take a look.

The danger, of course, is that the markets are signaling that we are dead wrong. Stocks are healthy…gold is not. That’s what yesterday’s news could be telling us. If that is so, we want to close out our Trade of the Decade right now, hole up in a monastery somewhere, and rethink our whole Weltanschauung. In the thin air and dim light, with no alcohol available, perhaps we’ll be able to see things more clearly. We’ll come to realize, finally, that paper money really is a good thing; that Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke are not only geniuses, but saints too; that Wall Street labors night and day for the betterment of mankind; and that now is the time to dump gold and buy stocks.


First, we have to recognize that no matter what is the long-term trend, it’s not going to announce itself like the new ambassador to the Court of St. James. Instead, it’s going to sneak in like a thief in the night. We’re not even going to realize it has been here until we wake up the next morning and find the silver missing.

Looking around, we see a strange and marvelous scene. On the cover of yesterday’s Independent newspaper, for example, there is a photo of a long line of people lining up for food stamps in New York.

“The Great Depression,” says the headline. “Food stamps are the symbol of poverty in the U.S. In the era of the credit crunch, a record 28 million Americans are now relying on them to survive – a sure sign the world’s richest country faces economic crisis.”

Again, we see the sad evolution of the U.S. of A. since the end of the ’60s. Then, fewer than five million people received food stamps. Now, nearly six times that number are living on them…after, what was supposed to be the biggest boom the world has ever seen. Of course, dear reader, we know that the boom was a phony. It made Indians and Chinese much, much richer. But Americans were left out. They got to spend their wealth, not make more of it. And now, nearly 26 years after the boom began, Americans find that they owe more money to more people in more places than any people ever did. What’s worse…while wages shot up among our old adversaries – Russia and China, in the 50 states, the average person earns about the same thing, in real terms, as he earned during the Carter administration.

And now, to make matters worse, he faces an economic downturn.

Comparisons with the ’30s keep coming up. The last time there was a nationwide drop in the housing market was in the ’30s. Not since the ’30s, has there been such a crisis in the finance sector. And the last time there was such a hubbub of pressure to reform Wall Street was – you guessed it – the ’30s.

And yet, for all the talk of ‘depression’ – where is it? It is nowhere. So far, the depression is as phony as the boom that preceded it.

In the real Great Depression of the ’30s, thousands of U.S. banks failed. How many have failed recently? One out of every four working people (usually men, in that era) was out of a job in the Depression. Now, the unemployment rate is one out of every 20. In the Great Depression growth went negative. In nominal terms, GDP was almost cut in half during the ’30s. But so far as we know, U.S. GDP growth is still positive. The IMF, always a little behind the times, says the United States will post a 0.5% growth in ’08.

And what about the stock market? The Dow hit its peak on Sept. 3, 1929, at 381…collapsed…rebounded…and sank again. By the time it was over, the Dow and sunk to 41. So far this time, the Dow is off 7%. And yesterday, it shot up more than the entire Dow value in ’29. U.S. stocks still trade at 18 times earnings – compared to barely 8 at the bottom in the ’30s.

Obvious question: Where’s the depression?

Obvious answer: There ain’t one…at least, not yet.

Obvious next question: Then what’s causing so much trouble?

*** There ain’t no Great Depression. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t a great many depressing financial statistics…and a great many financial decisions in need of correction…and a great number of people who will wish they had done things differently.

But yesterday, stock market investors seemed to think the worst that could be seen had been seen; it was time to bid up stocks again.

Of course, investors always think they see the end…long before the end actually comes. In ’29, the greatest economist of his day, Irving Fisher, proclaimed the sell-off over in November. The market “was only shaking out the lunatic fringe,” he observed. Of course, it soon shook out everyone else.

And in 1990, the Japanese stock market also began to collapse. Then too, the greatest minds of the time – in America as well as in Japan – looked with favor on the Nikkei. The index hit its high of 39,000…and then began an historic decline. At 35,000…30,000…and 25,000 analysts pronounced the crisis over. Each time the Nikkei fell, it was another “buying opportunity.” But the collapse didn’t stop. It kept going until 80% of the Nikkei’s capitalization had been wiped out. Now, 18 years later, you can still buy Japanese shares at 60% off.

While U.S. business still seems fairly solid, generally, the financial sector is hurting. The banks say they will cut as many as 200,000 jobs. George Soros, speaking on the BBC last night, said he thought this was just part of a very big, very long credit cycle downturn. Credit has been expanding since the end of WWII. Now he thinks it will contract for a long time.

Corporate bond sales are down 32% in the first quarter. “Failure rate rockets for buy-out companies,” reports the Financial Times.

Charles R. Morris has a new book out. The Trillion Dollar Meltdown, he calls it. He says we’ve only seen the beginning of losses in the financial sector. In addition to subprime, there will be mega-losses in high yield bonds, leveraged loans, credit card debt and credit default swaps (which alone represent about $45 trillion of face value).

We mentioned the troubles in ’29 and in Japan deliberately. The current crisis (to the extent there is one) has its roots in finance – just as those two did. Most often, a recession is led by the real economy, not finance. Typically, the economy went into recession and pulled down stock prices. This time – as in ’29 and Japan – the crisis is POTENTIALLY more dangerous. Because it is finance pulling down the rest of the economy.

The part of the economy in worst shape now is the consumer. He’s the one whose salary has not gone up. He’s the one whose house is being foreclosed. And he’s the one who’s got to buy gas and food.

“The gap between the haves and the have-nots only continues to widen,” notes Free Market Investor’s Christopher Hancock. “And loose monetary policy will only strengthen this trend. On both ends, billionaires and bankruptcy claims flourish. Big banks and Big Oil have seen the windfall, while Main Street refinanced to keep pace. Many have been living on borrowed time. Unfortunately, the clock seems to have struck midnight.

“Main Street will turn to politicians for help. More regulation and relief may follow. That will require more dollars and more taxes. Barack, Hillary or McCain… who’s to say? But we question what person really wants to inherit this mess.

“Horace Walpole once wrote, ‘The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.’ ‘But the real world,’ John Irving explains, ‘is tragic to those who think and feel; it is only comic to those who have been lucky.'”

Banks now have twice as many foreclosed houses as they did a year ago. People take bus tours of foreclosed properties – looking for bargains…and generally depressing prices all over town. In Philadelphia, according to one report, they’re going to stop selling the foreclosed properties – to give the housing market a chance to recover.

People are buying fewer SUVs. Hummers are having trouble finding buyers…(we have a brother in Virginia with one; he says his daughter refuses to ride in it, citing environmental damage). Consumers are getting more careful when they go to the grocery store.

And even in the Hamptons, apparently the housing market is in a slump.

*** “We’re so sorry…but maybe you should come back when you have more money,” said the bank manager. We were trying to open an account in London at a private bank. But it was a club that we couldn’t join. Not enough money.

No matter how much you have, you will always feel like you don’t have enough.

Bill Bonner
Markets and Money

Bill Bonner

Bill Bonner

Since founding Agora Inc. in 1979, Bill Bonner has found success and garnered camaraderie in numerous communities and industries. A man of many talents, his entrepreneurial savvy, unique writings, philanthropic undertakings, and preservationist activities have all been recognized and awarded by some of America’s most respected authorities. Along with Addison Wiggin, his friend and colleague, Bill has written two New York Times best-selling books, Financial Reckoning Day and Empire of Debt. Both works have been critically acclaimed internationally. With political journalist Lila Rajiva, he wrote his third New York Times best-selling book, Mobs, Messiahs and Markets, which offers concrete advice on how to avoid the public spectacle of modern finance. Since 1999, Bill has been a daily contributor and the driving force behind Markets and Money.
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Bill do you think when they remove the smoke and mirrors they will find a depression? How long can they intervene before the U.S of A go`s into liquidation? In the meantime i am sure they will continue to make us feel like we do not have enough!


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What happened yesterday (Tues, USA)? Ben “bail out the big end of town and stuff the battlers” Bernanke and his plunge protection team got busy manipulating the market. Seems the only reason for such a large counter-intuitive rally in response to UBS’s bad news.


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