Take a Chance on New China


Yes, dear reader…prices are falling. In April, the US producer price index fell 0.1%.

Oil fell to $72 yesterday. The Dow fell 114 points.

Copper is down more than 20% from its high. Chinese stocks are down 21% so far this year.

The CRB – a measure of commodities prices – is down about 12%.

Even gold got whacked yesterday – down $13.

What’s going on?

Well, we’re in that long period of adjustment known (to us!) as the Great Correction.

In the first stage…

.the markets discover that its assets aren’t worth as much as investors had thought….

.creditors find that their credits aren’t as good as they had believed…

.consumers realize that they don’t have as much money to spend as they had hoped…

.businesses find that they don’t have as many sales as they had projected…

.and governments wake up to the fact that tax revenues are coming in at less than expected levels.

Boo hoo.

This leads to all sorts of gnashing of teeth and congressional hearings. But it’s just the way the world works.

Unfortunately, the way the world works includes a lot of preposterous ideas about the way the world SHOULD work…and a lot of scurrilous efforts pretending to make them work better.

So, while the private sector generally de-leverages – with lower prices and lower debt levels – the public sector tends to leverage up. And to hear some economists tell it, if the feds don’t come to the rescue with bailouts and boondoggles, the whole world economy will sink into a Dark Age.

A few even say the feds have no choice. Richard Koo maintains that if governments stop their stimulus spending – which, of course, adds trillions to the world’s public deficits – the deficits will go up!

Come again?

Yep. Koo’s point is pure Keynesianism…probably correct…and completely absurd at the same time: try to cut your deficit by reducing stimulus spending, he says, and you’re likely to destroy the economy, and increase the deficit too. More on that later in the week…

We’re not going to bore you with economics today – not while the world’s biggest and most dynamic country lies right outside our hotel.

We’re staying at the Grand Hyatt. But we could be in any one of dozens of international hotels in Beijing. The city is full of bright, modern, new buildings…bright, modern, new hotels…and bright, modern, new people.

“There’s a HUGE generation gap in China today,” said a dinner companion last night. “People our age [he was about the age of your editor] remember the Cultural Revolution. The only way to survive was to keep your head down. You learned not to stand out in any way. Everyone wore the same clothes. Everyone said the same things. If you didn’t you might get sent to a labor camp…or worse.

“But the younger generation has grown up in a China that is completely different. All they’ve seen is progress…spectacular progress…incredible growth. And they know that the way to succeed in this new China is to take chances…”

Keep reading…

China has become a nation of entrepreneurs…risk takers. It resembles the US in the ’20s – before the country was taken over by corporate managers and political mandarins. China is a good place to make money.

‘Rags to riches’ stories are so common you wonder if there’s anyone left to wear rags. One of those stories had an unhappy ending yesterday when one of China’s richest men was sentenced to 14 years in jail for corruption.

Today, China seems like a more capitalist country than the US. It is full of gamblers and innovators. The pace of change is breathtaking, with construction cranes all over the city. And the buildings themselves are often daring…the roads are straight in Beijing, but the buildings lean. Some walls lean in. Some lean out. Some lean one way and then the next.

The city, what we have seen of it, does not seem anything like a ‘third world’ hive. Instead, it is a giant, modern metropolis. We came prepared to compare it to Managua or Mumbai. Instead, it compares favorably to Chicago or New York.

Beijing is not our kind of city. We prefer places where we can walk around – like Paris, Zurich or London. This is more of a car-friendly town, like Amarillo or Brasilia. The streets are wide. The buildings are tall and isolated. You go from one complex of modern high-rises to another.

But this city is much more lively than Paris or New York. It is a city still taking shape…a city that is still figuring out its role in the world. It is “making its way across a river by feeling the rocks,” as the Chinese say.

Beijing is still a city for tomorrow…

But is China a buy or a sell? We asked local experts.

The answer: it depends.

China probably is a bubble economy, in many ways. Property prices soared as people speculated on real estate. Individuals bought apartments and houses as a way to store the money they’d made in business. But unlike the US, they paid cash. Now, prices seem to be going down. Some areas are going ‘no bid,’ with prices collapsing.

But since there is little mortgage debt, it does not seem likely that the residential sector will suffer the same dramatic decline as, say, Las Vegas…

The news this morning is that Las Vegas is in the middle of a housing resurgence. More than 1,000 new units are under construction.

But wait. The city has some 15,000 empty units still on the market.

“My parents bought a house in Las Vegas in 2000,” said one of our new friends last night. “They paid $220,000. Then, in the boom, it went up to about $350,000. Now the price of the house is about $190,000.

“There’s a house I saw the last time I visited. It was on the market in 2006 for $2.9 million. A big house up against the foothills. With a guesthouse and two pools. A really nice place. It was being offered at only $700,000.”

While the residential market is not highly leveraged in China, the commercial market floats on a sea of debt.

“What happens is that local governments get into deals with local developers,” our host explained. “Between the two of them, they borrow huge amounts of money from the banks. Then they build something that feels good to everyone associated with it, but that might not have much commercial potential. Nobody wants to see the project fail, so it tends to be refinanced…and refinanced…until it is carrying a mountain of debt.

“What we’re going to see, I think, is that all that debt will come crashing down. It’s going to be a mess for while. Maybe a long while.”

Does that mean an investor should stay away from Chinese shares?

“Not necessarily,” says our local expert. “Many of these companies are still growing very fast…and many are not dependent on the building boom. Some of them have nice little niches…like selling beer and soap to a huge population of people whose incomes are rising. And because their prices have been knocked down, you can buy these companies for about 8 times earnings. It could be that they’ll go down some more in the coming crisis. Still, they could turn out to be great investments over the long run.”


Bill Bonner
for Markets and Money

Bill Bonner

Bill Bonner

Since founding Agora Inc. in 1979, Bill Bonner has found success and garnered camaraderie in numerous communities and industries. A man of many talents, his entrepreneurial savvy, unique writings, philanthropic undertakings, and preservationist activities have all been recognized and awarded by some of America’s most respected authorities. Along with Addison Wiggin, his friend and colleague, Bill has written two New York Times best-selling books, Financial Reckoning Day and Empire of Debt. Both works have been critically acclaimed internationally. With political journalist Lila Rajiva, he wrote his third New York Times best-selling book, Mobs, Messiahs and Markets, which offers concrete advice on how to avoid the public spectacle of modern finance. Since 1999, Bill has been a daily contributor and the driving force behind Markets and Money.
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“It is full of gamblers and innovators.” – and corruption, and communist capitalism.
“The pace of change is breathtaking, with construction cranes all over the city” – yeah, like in Dubai.
“And the buildings themselves are often daring…” – remember Burj Dubai?

Biker Pete

Some fascinating insights and perspectives on China. Interesting to read the highly-appropriate Beijing/LV comparison. Great reading… !~

islamic finance

how we can say that the markets discover that its assets aren’t worth as much as investors had thought


Just 1 year ago you wrote a long winded article crowing how China was going to go into a deep depression soon and how silly everyone was to invest in the Chinese bubble. Now you’re flip flopping completely a year later and saying that “maybe” it might happen but it could still be worth investing in. You’re the worst sort of stock shill. Also, comparing China to Japan like you did in your previous articles is completely ridiculous. It’s literally apples and oranges economically.

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